In the first hour “War Made Easy in the Middle East” with Phyllis Bennis, fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies; ips-dc.org. In the second hour “Four More Years: The Trump reelection nightmare and how we can stop it” with Thomas Frank author of Harper’s April cover story.

This interview originally aired on KPFA’s Sunday Show

Phyllis Bennis directs the New Internationalism Project at the Institute for Policy Studies.